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Earth · May 07, 2009, 02:39 PM // 14:39

I'm ruining your fun, go away.

I was going to post something about the topic here but... I forgot what I wanted to say...

I'll remember it sooner or later oO

EDIT:

Oh yeah, I agree with A11Eur0 and Faer here: Words are words are words are words. Some people just use "dirty words" a lot, me being one of them. I don't see the problem, unless someone starts flaming you for no reason at all. If I say "RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO we're losing" in team chat because we're losing, is it really THAT bad? I said that in AB yesterday and someone went totally speechy on me, telling me that using words like "RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO" are bad.
Seriously though, what is bad about using it in that context?

Kattar · May 07, 2009, 02:39 PM // 14:39

Aww come on Earth, we were making a point.

A11Eur0 · May 07, 2009, 06:48 PM // 18:48

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Originally Posted by Inde

I'm going to say it... I shouldn't, but notice the thinking going on here acknowledging that this next line could be offensive...

If you can't "control" what you type (not referring to swearing here but more the concept of typing being like chatting), I don't believe I'd want to hang around you. What else can't you "control" if a simple thing such as typing is too much?

Look. Whether I can or want to control what I type or not, whether it's a concerted effort TO swear in the chat, it takes an even more concerted effort to go into your options menu and REMOVE THE FILTER. It also takes a more concerted effort to bypass that filter, as you know it's there and you knowingly misspell your words to avoid it. Focus on those who complain about proper spelling(because they brought it on themselves by removing the filter) and those who bypass the filter to get to those who truly don't want to see it.

The term here which was directed at me recently because I report offensive names is CareBear. The people who knowingly remove their filter JUST to grief and report "dirty word users" are CAREBEARS.

If you have your chat filter on, you won't see the swears, unless they're altered. Simple. Report those who bypass the filter. Leave those of us who use our knowledge of the English Language properly by spelling the words correctly alone, and thank Anet for including the filter. Stop being a fragile little twit firing reports around without a care in the world at anyone who feels like expressing themselves.

Fril Estelin · May 07, 2009, 07:16 PM // 19:16

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

anyone who feels like expressing themselves.

Swearing as a form of expressing yourself... You should go do some sport, you'd relieve your "emotions" more effectively. And if it's about punctuating a sentence, the use of punctuation symbols is in fact more efficient and less ambiguous. Or maybe I'm missing the poetry in it? I should know better, we (French) have one of the richest language in the world for swearing.

A11Eur0 · May 07, 2009, 07:24 PM // 19:24

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

Swearing as a form of expressing yourself... You should go do some sport, you'd relieve your "emotions" more effectively. And if it's about punctuating a sentence, the use of punctuation symbols is in fact more efficient and less ambiguous. Or maybe I'm missing the poetry in it? I should know better, we (French) have one of the richest language in the world for swearing.

Yet you lose the basic premise of "expressing" oneself. I don't need to "do some sport" to relieve emotions. If I feel something needs to be expressed, I express it. Don't assume I only swear because I'm angry or frustrated, I swear to make a point. That's how it works. If you don't like it, turn your goddamn filter on!

Rocky Raccoon · May 07, 2009, 07:25 PM // 19:25

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

Swearing as a form of expressing yourself... You should go do some sport, you'd relieve your "emotions" more effectively. And if it's about punctuating a sentence, the use of punctuation symbols is in fact more efficient and less ambiguous. Or maybe I'm missing the poetry in it? I should know better, we (French) have one of the richest language in the world for swearing.

I think this is interesting.

http://people.howstuffworks.com/swearing.htm

MagmaRed · May 07, 2009, 08:10 PM // 20:10

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

Filter does not give permission, it is there for when people break the rules.

I said it once, so I'll just quote it this time.

A11Eur0 · May 07, 2009, 08:33 PM // 20:33

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

I said it once, so I'll just quote it this time.

Just because you say something doesn't make it true.

The filter is there to protect players from seeing "dirty" language. I'll agree there. But: if you're getting upset at seeing language, turn it BACK on! It's on by default, it takes a concerted effort to turn it off, and by turning it off you make the statement that you WANT TO SEE EVERYTHING. You make that statement then turn around and get offended, you're a griefing carebear.

It doesn't matter what the filter is there for...it's THERE! If you don't want to see swearing, turn it on! If someone bypasses it, you have an arguing point. Take responsibility for your OWN ACTIONS instead of whining and crying like a little bitch that someone said "shit" in all chat. If you had your filter on, you wouldn't have seen it. It's THAT SIMPLE.

Fril Estelin · May 07, 2009, 09:05 PM // 21:05

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

I swear to make a point

And what point would that be?

Feathermoore Rep · May 07, 2009, 10:26 PM // 22:26

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

"Filter does not give permission, it is there for when people break the rules."

I said it once, so I'll just quote it this time.

Not to be ironic, but thats bullshit. No i take that back, because I'm not sure how i want to interpret that statement.

Yes, swearing is a personal choice. For many of us, its even become part of our everyday vocabulary and think nothing of it.

Yes, swearing is a social taboo in just about every country. To be honest i believe its a social taboo in the US because of the religious foundation and principles it was built upon, but thats a completely difference topic.

Yes, technically according to the EULA "inappropriate language of any sort or any attempt to escape the profanity filter, inappropriate or vulgar content of any sort, repeated "spamming," or "flooding" of the chat messages channel, or any other conduct determined to be inappropriate by NC Interactive Support, in its sole discretion" may result in negatives statuses on one's account. There's many problems with this.

Firstly, any other conduct determined to be inappropriate by Support leaves a HUGE HUGE HUGE amount of variance on the suspensions and bans being handed out. Then again its also how you just might be able to get your account back after one of those bans.

Second, inappropriate language and content overlap. If it doesn't fall under these two, it still could be banned in accordance with my first point.

Third, profanity is seen and considered inappropriate language. So while I love and stick to the "If you don't like me swearing, then turn your chat filter back on" argument. In accordance with the EULA, it doesn't matter cuz you're going to get boned one way or another if you get reported for swearing.

However a matter of personal opinion, I'm going agree that while it the Filter doesn't explicitly give permission, it sort of does.

By designing a chat filter to filter inappropriate words, mainly those to dealing with profanity, its supposed to act as a replacement for swearing reports. There is reason it says verbal abuse, and not swearing when you report someone in game. By choosing to disable the chat filter, you're consenting to the fact that you wish to see and read those filtered words in their entirety. You can not deny that by going to Options>Selecting the drop down menu>Closing Options that you were not in control and had full awareness of your actions. Sure it doesn't have "Accept" "Ok" or "Save Changes" button, which i never really realized too because the changes just go into effect immediately so I don't care, but thats an irrelevant point. It is still its not like its an 'oh oops i just hit the turn off chat filter button'. It takes reasonable amount of awareness to turn it off, which in my opinion is enough for consent that you are not going to be offended by now un-filitered profanity.

On that note, at which time such language becomes overly aggressive towards one person, blatantly offensive ie. "racial,sexist,etc", or is is blatant skirting of the chat filter, then yes feel free to fill all reports under verbal abuse.

But do not, DO NOT, tell me swearing is not in my right and power, when the very reason the chat filter was implemented was so that it prevents people who don't to see them from seeing them.

As for other there being other forms and ways to express yourself, its still a personal choice of expression. My grandfather says "shoot!" or "darn it!" when he screws something up. My dad and I we both say "shit!" and "dammit!". They mean the same thing, we just use different words.
Some parents yell their kids or husbands name when they screw something up and want to to yell at them, and others yell stuff like "God dammit <name>! Get over here right now."

To each its the exact same meaning and usuage. Its just how you interpret the words.

We can debate the use of swear words, their social taboo-ness, and whether people actually use them unconsciously in their speak and writing all day long.

But for now, quit your bitching and turn back on your chat filter please. Thank you.

MagmaRed · May 08, 2009, 04:37 AM // 04:37

If you want to swear, do so in places where it is acceptable (team, guild, alliance, whisper, etc.). Using profanity in local chat, trade, etc., or even in team or guild/alliance where it is not approved of by ALL means you are doing something wrong. I don't care if people swear, as long as they don't swear in places where people who don't want to see it will see it. And even if the chat filter is on, you still know swearing was done, and usually what word(s) were used. **** still shows up, and you know that a word was censored.

No, I do not have my filter on. No, I do not report all swearing I see. I do, however, report some instances when I feel it is necesary. Although this is a stretch, think of GW as you job. Would you swear at work in front of clients, customers, your boss? (Yes, I know some people have jobs they would, think of offices, retail, food service, etc.) If you had a job as a Waiter/Waitress and were swearing with other coworkers in locations the customers could hear, you'd be fired fast. Go swear in teh breakroom or outside, and the bosses won't care much.

Same for GW. Local, trade, etc. chat are the workplace, and team, guild/alliance, whisper, etc. are the breakrooms. Swearing is fine if you do it in the right places.

A11Eur0 · May 08, 2009, 05:13 AM // 05:13

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

If you want to swear, do so in places where it is acceptable (team, guild, alliance, whisper, etc.). Using profanity in local chat, trade, etc., or even in team or guild/alliance where it is not approved of by ALL means you are doing something wrong. I don't care if people swear, as long as they don't swear in places where people who don't want to see it will see it. And even if the chat filter is on, you still know swearing was done, and usually what word(s) were used. **** still shows up, and you know that a word was censored.

No, I do not have my filter on. No, I do not report all swearing I see. I do, however, report some instances when I feel it is necesary. Although this is a stretch, think of GW as you job. Would you swear at work in front of clients, customers, your boss? (Yes, I know some people have jobs they would, think of offices, retail, food service, etc.) If you had a job as a Waiter/Waitress and were swearing with other coworkers in locations the customers could hear, you'd be fired fast. Go swear in teh breakroom or outside, and the bosses won't care much.

Same for GW. Local, trade, etc. chat are the workplace, and team, guild/alliance, whisper, etc. are the breakrooms. Swearing is fine if you do it in the right places.

This isn't a job, it's a GAME.

To use your analogy, the breakroom door which separates you from the customers who would otherwise overhear your profanity is the same as the chat filter. If the customer walks into the back room or the breakroom of your workplace and hears something that he doesn't like, and gets pissed, that's ridiculous. Stay out of the break room and you won't hear the profanity. If the Employees swear outside of those protected areas (akin to bypassing the chat filter) THEN they should be held accountable.

thedarkmarine · May 08, 2009, 05:22 AM // 05:22

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

Just because you say something doesn't make it true.

The filter is there to protect players from seeing "dirty" language. I'll agree there. But: if you're getting upset at seeing language, turn it BACK on! It's on by default, it takes a concerted effort to turn it off, and by turning it off you make the statement that you WANT TO SEE EVERYTHING. You make that statement then turn around and get offended, you're a griefing carebear.

It doesn't matter what the filter is there for...it's THERE! If you don't want to see swearing, turn it on! If someone bypasses it, you have an arguing point. Take responsibility for your OWN ACTIONS instead of whining and crying like a little bitch that someone said "shit" in all chat. If you had your filter on, you wouldn't have seen it. It's THAT SIMPLE.

Just because you don't like it doesn't make it false. If when a VIP declines the services of a bodyguard, murdering him is still illegal.

As for the original post involving being banned for "shXt," please refer to this this and take your grain of salt.

pumpkin pie · May 08, 2009, 09:12 AM // 09:12

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Sorry but I'll side with Anet. You were obviously trying to stir the pot. Of all the names you could have come up with and had fun with, you had to make (at least) three characters that are guaranteed to get a rise out of someone. I'd like to know what your other characters were named...probably just as offensive.

your swearing is a guaranteed to get a rise out of someone too. full text

MagmaRed · May 08, 2009, 01:33 PM // 13:33

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

This isn't a job, it's a GAME.

To use your analogy, the breakroom door which separates you from the customers who would otherwise overhear your profanity is the same as the chat filter. If the customer walks into the back room or the breakroom of your workplace and hears something that he doesn't like, and gets pissed, that's ridiculous. Stay out of the break room and you won't hear the profanity. If the Employees swear outside of those protected areas (akin to bypassing the chat filter) THEN they should be held accountable.

LOL - I did enjoy that, thanks.

Although it goes way off my analogy, there is no way to leave the chat filter off from the 'employee' point of view. The breakroom door (chat filter) would be opened by the customer, which would be the customers fault. I'd like to see you explain how MY chat filter can be left off by YOU.

Yes, it is a game. And I play because I have fun playing it. I do not have fun seeing people swearing, so I avoid seeing it. When people in my guild/alliance swear, I let it go if it is minor/occassional. If it becomes frequent or severe, I ask them to stop. If I am in a city trying to find a team for a quest/mission, buy/sell, or just to have conversation about various topics, I do not enjoy seeing people swearing. The filter may show me **** instead of a word, but I still know it was filtered for a reason, and the reason is what I dislike. I may not see someone say shit, but I know what they said anyway. It isn't the word itself that bothers me, but the reason they are using it. Since it is part of the EULA, anyone playing is expected not to swear. If you want to swear, don't sign the EULA, and don't play Guild Wars.... or deal with the consequences if you are reported for it.

Tullzinski · May 08, 2009, 02:26 PM // 14:26

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

Since it is part of the EULA, anyone playing is expected not to swear. If you want to swear, don't sign the EULA, and don't play Guild Wars.... or deal with the consequences if you are reported for it.

I am

if swearing is against the EULA then why is there an option to turn the filter off? If it is against the rules the filter should be active 24/7.

Then if you bypass it you should be reported immediately.

IMO:
If you are cussing AT me there is a problem ie You F%@$ing polish piece of S%@$.

If you are cussing in general about a situation, Holy S&@% we got our asses handed to us! No problem.

MagmaRed · May 09, 2009, 02:55 AM // 02:55

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Originally Posted by Tullzinski

I am

if swearing is against the EULA then why is there an option to turn the filter off? If it is against the rules the filter should be active 24/7.

The filter is not there to allow people to swear. Swearing is against the rules. The filter is there because Anet knows some people will break the rules, and the people who do not want to see that language can have it filtered for them when people break the rules. Parents of some kids allow them to play, but require them to have the filter on. Those kids may swear at school and hear that kind of language all the time, but that doesn't mean their parents want them to see/hear it. So when people are swearing when those kids are playing, they don't see it, they see the **** instead.

Does this mean people are allowed to swear? No, it clearly states in the EULA that it is inappropriate and not tolerated. Does that mean that ALL swearing will result in bans? No, only the people who use it where other people don't want to see it, and report them. If your guild is fine with swearing and you swear in guild chat, fine, no problems. However, if you are swearing in local chat, and someone who doesn't appreciate that kind of language is there, they may report you, and you may well be banned because of it.

The filter does not allow you to swear anywhere, anytime. The filter is there to protect people who don't want to see that language when people who swear break the rules.

The filter is not permission to swear.... is it really a hard concept to grasp?

Fitz Rinley · May 09, 2009, 03:28 AM // 03:28

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

The filter is not there to allow people to swear. Swearing is against the rules.

The filter is not permission to swear.... is it really a hard concept to grasp?

If swearing is against the rules then ANet marketted GW under the Teen rating as a form of fraud. The Teen rating underwhich it is marketed specifically indicates both Crude Humor and Strong Language are to be expected in the game. This is true both under the ESRB and under PEGI. This is not a game for little children. It is a game with sexual suggestion, drunken stupors, monsters whose names contain strong language and must be filtered out (that pesky Cleric, and the Guild Leader in Panjiang whose name is always filtered out come to mind), etc.

I understand that some people have delicate sensibilities. They are not staunch enough to handle the stress relief common to soldiers, loggers, sailors, miners, adventurers, etc. Afterall, real growling belongs to real men.

Besides, we all know the realistic response of the true adventurer as s/he rounds the corner to come face to face with the 72,000 year old mythological evil and waking dragon, just as the door slams shut in the distance is:

"O, well isn't that a fine set of pink posies!"

BoondockSaint · May 09, 2009, 03:45 AM // 03:45

Freedom of speech does not give you a right to be a jackass. Also as indie posted earlier, you can still say some awful things that will not be caught in the chat filter.

I am getting tired of people using "freedom of speech" as an excuse to say whatever the hell they want. It does not work in the real world that way so why do you think it would work online? You cannot shout fire in a crowded place if there is not one and not expect to be punished. I hate a politically correct socity, but I would also hate a socity that would allow anyone to say whatever they wanted.

Also a personal note, I've noticed that the people that use all this dirty language are also the ones that get very upset when you suggest they not bring say a rez sig to AB. You are intitled to your own opnions NOT YOUR OWN FACTS.

But again I guess it is just a bunch of kids that are giving the whole community a bad rap.

HawkofStorms · May 09, 2009, 04:00 AM // 04:00

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Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley

If swearing is against the rules then ANet marketted GW under the Teen rating as a form of fraud. The Teen rating underwhich it is marketed specifically indicates both Crude Humor and Strong Language are to be expected in the game. This is true both under the ESRB and under PEGI. This is not a game for little children. It is a game with sexual suggestion, drunken stupors, monsters whose names contain strong language and must be filtered out (that pesky Cleric, and the Guild Leader in Panjiang whose name is always filtered out come to mind), etc.

Except online content created by other users is not rated. That little disclaimer is put on every single video game's ESRB.

Now, you clearly don't know enough about the law to pull some random BS fraud claim out of your butt. If you don't know what you are talking about, then shut up.